Transcripts of Interviews with
Hickory aged 6, 2nd interview recorded
28 May 1992
(Names as used
in the book "A City Possessed"
Q††††††††† What happened then?
we played snap.
Q††††††††† Right, okay, all right, now,
um, ah, now look, ah, what, what I need to know is, um, has anyone ever
touched your vagina in any other way before or not?
no, yeah, my mumís touched it with her hand.
Q††††††††† Yeah. What did she touch it
with her hands for?
A††††††††† To wash it.
A††††††††† Well, itís Mum so it doesnít
Q††††††††† Yeah, right, and does she still wash it for you or not?
Q††††††††† Do you wash your own?
A††††††††† I do my own and I sometimes
wash her back and sometimes she washes my back.
Q††††††††† Right, okay, and, um, so she
touches with her hands when she washes?
Has anyone else ever touched your vagina with their hands before?
Q††††††††† Dad has?
A††††††††† Yep. But no one else.
Q††††††††† Right, okay. I guess, I guess
what I heard was that someone had, I heard that someone, you had told Mum
that someone had touched, touched you.
A††††††††† Who? I canít remember.
Q††††††††† Touched your vagina and your
Q††††††††† With their hands.
Q††††††††† And their fingers.
A††††††††† I canít remember.
Q††††††††† Do you remember telling?
A††††††††† Saying that?
Q††††††††† Do you remember now?
Q††††††††† If anyone else has ever done
that. What was Dad touching it for?
A††††††††† He was what, doing it when I were a baby washing.
Q††††††††† Oh, right, looking after you
A††††††††† To put on my nappies.
Q††††††††† Yeah, doing normal mother and
Q††††††††† Yeah. Okay, so, um, so I
guess what Iíve heard of the, someone else has touched you down there with
their fingers, with their hands and fingers.
A††††††††† Who? Who? Myself? Was that a
joke or something?
Q††††††††† No, no, no, itís not a joke.
Itís just something that I wanted to check out with you to see if you could
help me, tell me about that stuff.
A††††††††† I canít remember saying, mmm, who was it?
A††††††††† Who was the person who
Q††††††††† Well I really need you to
tell me who it was because I.
A††††††††† Is it what youíre going to
Q††††††††† No, it was, yeah, I guess
itís what, itís the, itís the new stuff that I heard that youíd said to Mum
since we last talked.
Q††††††††† You told Mum that someone had
touched your fan, and, ah, bottom.
Q††††††††† Bottom and your vagina with.
A††††††††† Did I?
Q††††††††† Yeah, with the, with their
was it? Who did I say?
Q††††††††† Well, itís, itís really
important for you to tell me who it was.
Q††††††††† But youíre not remembering?
A††††††††† No, I canít remember.
okay, all right, well, look, um, perhaps what I could also tell you that Iíve
heard was, um, that you know when youíve drawn this picture of Mum about at
Peterís house, Peter showed the puppyís bottom.
Q††††††††† And you also said some other
things about Peter doing something with the puppyís bottom.
You said to Mum that Peter showed the puppyís bottom.
Q††††††††† And that you also said that
he did something else to the puppyís bottom. Is that right?
A††††††††† Um, he let me pick it up.
Q††††††††† Right, yeah. Whatís his puppy
A††††††††† Real cute.
Q††††††††† Is it, whatís its name?
nameís, um, Cutie.
Q††††††††† Cutie, is it?
Q††††††††† Is that its
real name or has it got another name?
yeah, itís his real name.
A††††††††† I like calling it, um,
Q††††††††† Do you?
my catís nameís Snuggles.
Q††††††††† Oh is it? Right.
sheís got a, sheís got a bite on her arm.
A††††††††† Like this she goes.
Q††††††††† What made her limp? Oh
because of the bite on her arm.
so, [T], what, what else did Peter do to the puppyís bottom?
A††††††††† He put his finger in it.
Thatís what I forgot. He didnít let me pick it up. He put his finger in it.
Q††††††††† Mm mmm.
Did you pick up the puppy anyway?
A††††††††† Yeah, he did, he did let me
Q††††††††† So he put his finger in the
A††††††††† Yep. Did I tell you that?
okay, well he did.
Q††††††††† He did?
Q††††††††† And who was there when he did
[female name, K] and [female name].
Q††††††††† And what did he do after
Q††††††††† What did he do after he put
his finger in the puppyís bottom?
A††††††††† He put it down.
Q††††††††† The puppy.
A††††††††† How come, how come heís
Q††††††††† I donít know. It is a sad
face isnít it Ö so, [T], and where was Peterís mum when he was doing that?
he was, she was at work.
Q††††††††† So was she there or not?
A††††††††† No she was at work.
Q††††††††† How many times have you been
to this place?
Q††††††††† Okay. That was the time you
had a bath, is that right?
Q††††††††† So he put his finger in the
puppyís bottom. What did you think about that?
A††††††††† I thought it was yucky and,
and I thought it was not nice.
Q††††††††† Not nice. Yeah. What sort of
feeling did you get?
What did he say when he was doing that?
A††††††††† Nothing. He just did this.
and so has Peter, um, so heís put his finger in that puppyís bottom, mmm?
Q††††††††† Has Peter put his finger in
any other bottoms before or not?
A††††††††† No, I donít, well I donít
know. He hasnít put it in my bottom.
Q††††††††† He hasnít put it in your
in, whatís that?
Q††††††††† Okay, [T], thatís another
baby. Now show me where the, well, okay, we know where bottoms are. So he,
you say he hasnít put it in your bottom. Is that right?
Q††††††††† Okay, cos,
I, cos I guess what Iíve heard is that, um, that
you said that Peter did put it in your bottom.
A††††††††† Did he?
Q††††††††† Did you?
A††††††††† Did I?
Q††††††††† So, am I right?
Q††††††††† Have I got the right
information? Did Peter put his finger in your bottom or not?
Q††††††††† He did. Where when did that
same day that I had the bath.
and which part of the day?
Q††††††††† Yeah. Where, whereabouts were
you when he did it?
A††††††††† In his house.
Q††††††††† Yeah. Where, whereabouts in
the house were you when?
in the dining room.
Q††††††††† Yeah and whereabouts were
your clothes when he did that?
when he put his finger in your bottom?
we were having a bath.
Q††††††††† Oh, I see. Okay.
can I go and look, see Mum.
Q††††††††† Yeah, what, what do you, what
are you feeling like now when weíre talking about this?
do you mean?
Q††††††††† What do you feel like when
Iím asking you about this?
A††††††††† I donít feel like anything.
Well, look where, maybe if we, we could see Mum after we finished talking
about it, okay?
Q††††††††† So you were in the bath when
he put his finger in your bottom. Was that, [T], was that before he washed
you or after?
Q††††††††† Right, okay.
A††††††††† No, after.
Q††††††††† After, after?
Q††††††††† Okay, so you didnít tell me
Q††††††††† Yeah and what, what stopped
you from telling me before?
I couldnít remember then.