Transcripts of Interviews with
Lacebark aged 6,
5th interview recorded 28 Oct 1992
(Names as used
in the book "A City Possessed"
A††††††††† And Peterís mother just
kicked me and hit me like this. She kicked me and hit me.
Q††††††††† And whereabouts did that
happen? Whereabouts were you when Peterís mum kicked you and hit you?
A††††††††† Peterís mumís place.
Q††††††††† Mm, how did you get there?
How did you get to Peterís motherís place?
A††††††††† In the white van.
Q††††††††† Who drove?
A††††††††† Peterís mother.
A††††††††† It was a truth, it was.
Q††††††††† Yeah, it was the truth. And
who, who did, who went with you Ö to Peterís motherís place? Who went with
A††††††††† I canít remember.
Q††††††††† Did kids go or just adults?
A††††††††† Just I did and adults.
A††††††††† And Marie and Gaye and Debbie.
Q††††††††† Marie and Gaye and Debbie
went with you?
A††††††††† Yeah, thatís all I have to
tell you because thatís all I can remember.
Q††††††††† And what made Peterís mother
hit and kick you?
A††††††††† I have no idea.
Q††††††††† How many times did she hit
Q††††††††† How many times did she?
A††††††††† Each day.
Q††††††††† How many days did she kick
A††††††††† And 17 days a week.
Q††††††††† And what did the women
teachers, what did Marie and Gaye and Debbie do?
A††††††††† Canít remember.
Q††††††††† Well, were they there when
Peterís mother kicked you or not?
Q††††††††† Who was there when she kicked
A††††††††† Um, well, let me see, let me
Q††††††††† Get Peterís mother and Ö
again, where are they?
A††††††††† And thatís all.
Q††††††††† Where was Peter when Peteís
mother kicked you?
A††††††††† He wasnít there.
Q††††††††† Where was he?
A††††††††† He wasnít there. He was at
the crŤche. Well, I wish I can go because thatís all I can remember.
Q††††††††† Mm, whatís it feel like
having to remember these things?
A††††††††† Not very good but I canít
even remember anything much now.
A††††††††† Cos Iíve told you.
A††††††††† Iíve forgotten it all. I am
telling the truth.
Q††††††††† Mm mmm.
A††††††††† It is.
Q††††††††† Yep, hey Ö Um, can I just ask
you a few more questions about Peterís mother?
A††††††††† One more because Iím getting
A††††††††† I donít feel very so well.
Q††††††††† How did you know it was his
A††††††††† I just did.
Q††††††††† Yeah and, um, how, how did
you know that though? What made you thought it was his mother?
A††††††††† Peter told me.
Q††††††††† And, and his, Peterís
Q††††††††† Who lives there with her?
A††††††††† No one.
Q††††††††† Mm mmm, what does his,
Peterís motherís house look like?
A††††††††† I canít remember, I canít
remember, [female name].
Q††††††††† Okay, thatís all right. Iím
just thinking, if I donít say anything itís just cos† Iím thinking and.
Q††††††††† Yeah, okay, and Ö
Q††††††††† Did anything else, did
Peterís mother do anything else to you?
A††††††††† No, oh, oh, oh, no.
Q††††††††† Okay, so show me where she
hit you and kicked you. Which parts of your body did she kick you?
A††††††††† Can I show with the dolls?
Q††††††††† Yep. Get, could you get one
of, get that big doll over there, or one of those baby dolls and show me.
A††††††††† Youíve got some new dolls.
Q††††††††† Yep those are the new dolls.
A††††††††† He touched me there.
Q††††††††† Who did?
Q††††††††† Thatís a boy doll, isnít it?
A††††††††† Ö go and get one. Is this the
A††††††††† Touched me there.
Q††††††††† Who did?
A††††††††† He kicked me and hit me there
[indicates groin area on doll].
Q††††††††† Peterís mother did.
Q††††††††† Whereabouts were your clothes
A††††††††† Down on the floor, down on
the floor Ö
Q††††††††† Where, where were her clothes
when she kicked you and hit you there?
A††††††††† She had them on.
Q††††††††† And Ö what, could you just,
you know the part you pointed to, tell me whatís the name of that part?
Q††††††††† And where, where were the
other crŤche teachers when Peterís mother?
A††††††††† I canít remember. At the
crŤche. I said that a million times.
Q††††††††† Mm mm.
A††††††††† Thatís all I can remember,
A††††††††† I want to go and see my
Q††††††††† Yeah, okay, um, yes, I know
you, I can hear you. You do want to go and see your mummy. I know that. Um.
A††††††††† Cos thatís all I have to.
A††††††††† Thatís all I can remember,
that is Iím sick of.
Q††††††††† I think, can I just ask? Are
you getting sick of it?
Q††††††††† Mm, cou, could you just sit
down. Iíve just got one question.
A††††††††† Just one more.
Q††††††††† Okay, you know how youíve
told me that Peterís mother hit and kicked your vagina.
Q††††††††† Like that. Sit down here for
a minute. And Peterís mother, she sheís a woman, isnít she?
Q††††††††† Cos mothers are women, arenít
Q††††††††† Now Iíve heard, um, have you,
have any other women ever done anything like that to your vagina before or
A††††††††† No, I canít remember. Oh,
well, thatís the last question.
Q††††††††† Okay, could you stay in here
for a little minute while I take a wee break and Iíll come back?
Q††††††††† Iíll just stay. Iíll just go
away for 30 seconds and then Iíll come back. I just need to go and check with
[female name] about something.
A††††††††† No, why canít I go? I want go
home to my mummy.
Q††††††††† Mm, okay, all right. Well, I
Q††††††††† Maybe we should stop here
because youíve had enough. Now if.
A††††††††† I want to go.
Q††††††††† Do, do you think that, um,
you need to come back and tell me anything more or have you told me
A††††††††† I think I have to come back.
Q††††††††† How much have you told, how
A††††††††† No, I donít think I need to
come back, I mean.
Q††††††††† How much have you told me?
Have you told me this much, that much or this much, that much?
A††††††††† Mm, Iíve told you that much.
Q††††††††† So how much more is there to
A††††††††† None more.
A††††††††† Please, now can I go?
Q††††††††† All right, okay, well, I
think weíll, we will stop there.