Transcripts of Interviews with
Lacebark aged 6, 3rd interview recorded 18
(Names as used
in the book "A City Possessed"
A††††††††† .... can we have a little
break from talking?
Q††††††††† Now thereís just, yeah, weíll
have a wee break. Who was the first person you told about him hurting your
A††††††††† Um, Mummy and Daddy. I said I
want to have a break of talking.
Q††††††††† I know, okay, if you, could
we have a break and could I just go and talk to [male name] and then I could
come back in? Is that all right?
A††††††††† Yep, can I come and see
A††††††††† On that special TV.
Q††††††††† Oh, on the special TV. Yeah,
later on you might be able to or I could stay in here and play with you then.
Well, letís have a break cos after weíve had a play, thereís something else I
want to talk to you about, okay. What are we going to do here?
A††††††††† Donít know. You could bring
the bath out.
A††††††††† And .... that could be a
different Ö going to the toilet. This little girl is okay. This little girl,
hey, she hasnít got any knickers.
Q††††††††† Oh no, she hasnít. Here you
are, hereís some knickers for her. Did they, who was there when that happened
to your bottom and your vagina?
A††††††††† Just Peter and me.
Q††††††††† And have you seen that happen
to any other kids before or not?
A††††††††† Oh no. How long will we be
here for now?
Q††††††††† Weíve been here for 25
A††††††††† Thatís pretty long.
Q††††††††† Yeah. Feels like a long time
when youíre five doesnít it?
A††††††††† Yeah, I really want to go.
Q††††††††† Okay now.
A††††††††† Can we have some, do some
Q††††††††† Yeah, what a good idea.
A††††††††† Have you got any felts?
Q††††††††† Yeah, thereís a whole box of
felts. Bring your paper doll here.
A††††††††† Ö thereís a whole box of
Q††††††††† Yeah. What are you going to
draw. You can draw one there and Iíll draw on here. Put the pens on this
A††††††††† You can have crayons.
Q††††††††† Oh, can I?
Q††††††††† Oh, okay, you want the whole
box to yourself, do you?
Q††††††††† And you sit over there and
Iíll sit here.
A††††††††† Okay. Whatís happened to this
Q††††††††† Itís a pencil isnít it.
Q††††††††† What are we going to draw?
A††††††††† You can draw anything. What
are you drawing?
Q††††††††† Iím going to draw a big sun.
Is it sunny outside today?
Q††††††††† Isnít it?
A††††††††† No, you could draw a cloud.
Q††††††††† What sort of face has my sun
A††††††††† Smiley face. Can I have my
A††††††††† Iím going to have sweaty
Q††††††††† Getting hot, sweaty feet.
A††††††††† Yeah. [Male name] came to our
Q††††††††† Did he.
Q††††††††† And what did he say?
A††††††††† I was scared of going to
Q††††††††† Were you?
Q††††††††† What made you think you would
go to jail?
A††††††††† Oh, should we have a break of
talking and drawing?
Q††††††††† Itís hard to talk about
sometimes isnít it.
A††††††††† Oh, I want to go home.
Q††††††††† Do you? Okay.
A††††††††† Weíll come tomorrow.
Q††††††††† Well, itís best if we just
get all the talking over and done with today.
Q††††††††† Then you donít have to keep
coming back. Do you like the mountains?
Q††††††††† I love the mountains.
A††††††††† Why. Could draw you on the
Q††††††††† Yes. Shall I draw me on the
Q††††††††† Okay Iíll show you what I do
in the mountains.
A††††††††† What. Have you got a husband
Q††††††††† No, no.
A††††††††† Did you used to?
Q††††††††† Oh, yes, once I had one.
A††††††††† Who was that?
Q††††††††† Oh heís gone now.
A††††††††† Whereís he gone to?
Q††††††††† Away. There we are, thatís
what I do in the mountains.
A††††††††† Thatís a silver crayon. What
do you do?
A††††††††† What do you? Do you walk in
Q††††††††† No, canít you tell what Iím
A††††††††† No. Skiing?
Q††††††††† Yeah, thatís me and the
A††††††††† Thereís my picture.
Q††††††††† And what are you drawing?
A††††††††† Not telling you. Just wait
Q††††††††† Okay, all right, it will be a
A††††††††† Yeah. Donít look at it, okay.
A††††††††† You can draw something else.
You can guess now.
Q††††††††† Ah, itís a flower.
Q††††††††† What is it?
A††††††††† Iím not telling. Iím just
going to get it open. I want to come back tomorrow.
Q††††††††† I donít think that I can see
you tomorrow though because I havenít got any spaces for you.
Q††††††††† Iíve got other things to do.
A††††††††† Whoís coming to see you
Q††††††††† Oh, Iíve got some kids to
talk to tomorrow. What is that?
A††††††††† I donít, you have to wait and
Q††††††††† I have to wait and see. Okay.
A††††††††† Iíve got a crayon look. Iíve
got a crayon, see look see, it was in here.
Q††††††††† Was it?
Q††††††††† Oh right, crayons are quite
fun, arenít they?
A††††††††† Yeah. Ö because I just Ö
these ones. Donít look.
Q††††††††† Oh Iím not supposed to be
looking. Oh, okay.
A††††††††† You can look if you want.
Q††††††††† Oh, can I?
Q††††††††† Please tell me what it is.
What is that? I canít work out what it is so youíll have to tell me what
A††††††††† No. Thatís pretty, isnít it.
Q††††††††† Do you think it is?
A††††††††† Yes. You want a Ö can I? Iím
going to draw all this space.
A††††††††† Iíll tell you in a minute,
A††††††††† You know a minute is later.
Q††††††††† Later than what?
A††††††††† Later than 9 oíclock. Okay,
Iíll tell you.
A††††††††† Itís a castle. Do you like
Q††††††††† Yeah and whatís happening
inside the castle? Whatís that inside the castle?
A††††††††† Nothing. Itís a flower, itís
a little dandelion flower.
Q††††††††† Oh, itís a dandelion and
whatís that there, whatís that black bit there?
A††††††††† What? Itís the stalk.
Q††††††††† Oh, I see.
A††††††††† A little fairy.
Q††††††††† Oh, itís a fairy there too.
A††††††††† Just a fairy here with this
funny little Ö
Q††††††††† Is it a good fairy?
Q††††††††† What do the fairies do?
A††††††††† Oh they get, itís a tooth
A††††††††† Oh, sorry, I need that silver
Q††††††††† Are there any other fairies?
A††††††††† No, oh yes, thereís a fairy
godmother. I have a fairy godmother.
Q††††††††† Oh, do you?
A††††††††† Yeah, she, I have to get
Q††††††††† Do you? Have you got a wand?
A††††††††† No, itís broken. It wasnít
Q††††††††† Wasnít it, did you have one
of those glitter ones?
Q††††††††† Oh, did it break?
A††††††††† Glass one.
Q††††††††† Oh, a glass one.
A††††††††† Do your little girl have one
Q††††††††† No, but Iím going to get one
though. Yes, I know, yeah, my little girl has got one of those.
A††††††††† Where is she? Where does she
Q††††††††† Oh, she just keeps it in her
A††††††††† Is she, is she little?
A††††††††† I want to, I want hers.
Q††††††††† You want what?
Q††††††††† You want hers. Oh, youíre
going to get your own, arenít you?
Q††††††††† Because sheíll want to keep
A††††††††† Does she want hers?
Q††††††††† Mm mmm.
A††††††††† How would she still use it?
Q††††††††† Iím going to get one soon.
A††††††††† Why are you going to get
Q††††††††† Oh, Iím just going to get
A††††††††† Iím going to draw a sun. Iím
going to draw a cloud.
Q††††††††† Okay, big cloud.
Q††††††††† Mm mmm.
A††††††††† Itís a purple cloud. I want
to come tomorrow because I want to have my lunch.
Q††††††††† Do you?
A††††††††† I could come another day.
Iíve got, Iíve had prick.
Q††††††††† Oh, what did you have a prick
A††††††††† Um, they had to test my
Q††††††††† What for?
A††††††††† Because Peter might have been
hurting me and might have had sick blood or something.
A††††††††† Hurt a little bit.
Q††††††††† Right, so you said Peter
might have been hurting you.
Q††††††††† Right, did he hurt you or
A††††††††† Iím going to draw a big sun
Q††††††††† He did.
A††††††††† He hurt me a little bit. My
blood was fine.
Q††††††††† Was it? Have you had your
A††††††††† Yeah, this is a lovely sun.
Q††††††††† What else did the doctor do?
A††††††††† Nothing. He gave me
Q††††††††† What else did the doctor do?
A††††††††† I donít know.
Q††††††††† Did the doctor check anything
else on your body?
Q††††††††† Just your blood?
A††††††††† Yep. Iím going do a sun up
here. Can we share the crayons?
A††††††††† You can share my felts then.
Q††††††††† Okay, now, look, weíve just
about finished our drawing, havenít we?
A††††††††† No, so I can go home.
Q††††††††† Well, thereís just a couple
of things that I just need to talk to you about.
A††††††††† Hereís a list at the door.
Q††††††††† Oh, no, Iíve got my list.
A††††††††† Thought it was. I want to
play pin the donkey.
Q††††††††† Pin the donkey. We havenít
got that here.
A††††††††† We could play pin the
Q††††††††† Thatís a good game, isnít it?
Thatís a game that you can play at parties, isnít it?
Q††††††††† Pin the tail on the donkey.
A††††††††† Ö into the cupboard Ö goes
and there goes all the dolls.
Q††††††††† What, oh, we donít , no,
because theyíre special dolls. Theyíre like these dolls here that I use,.
Those are called special dolls.
A††††††††† Are they?
A††††††††† Oh, let me go home. I want to
Q††††††††† Okay, all right, well we
might just have to do that and.
A††††††††† Iíll come back.
Q††††††††† Well Ö your mum said that you
only, this would be the last time, didnít she? She told you this would be the
A††††††††† I want to go, okay. I do.
A††††††††† All right. Well first of all
we have to check that out with Mum, okay?
A††††††††† That you can come back. Um,
itís 24 minutes to 12, to 1.
A††††††††† Come on.
Q††††††††† Okay, Iím just trying to
learn to say the time. Itís quite hard sometimes. 24 minutes to 1, okay.
Youíve got everything.
A††††††††† Oh, I have to check with Mum