Transcripts of Interviews with
Laurel aged 6, 2nd interview recorded 27
(Names as used
in the book "A City Possessed"
Q††††††††† And weíll talk about what you
have come back, weíll just start with what youíve come back to tell me today.
Q††††††††† So can you can you begin with
Q††††††††† The easiest thing to start
A††††††††† Yep. Um, ah, donít really
know what to say.
Q††††††††† Mmm, whatís it about? Whatís
A††††††††† The crŤche.
Q††††††††† Yeah, itís about the crŤche
and what about the crŤche? What happened at the crŤche?
A††††††††† Um stuff that, um, things
that P, um, Peter was do, um, was doing a lie.
Q††††††††† Yeah, Peter, and Peter was
A††††††††† Um, a li, a, um, telling persons
Q††††††††† Peter was telling lies?
Q††††††††† Who was he telling lies to?
A††††††††† Um, lots of persons.
Q††††††††† Yeah, what, adults or kids?
A††††††††† Um, kids.
Q††††††††† Yeah and what was the lie
that he was telling?
A††††††††† Um, he said, um, if you tell
on him youíll go to jail or you, or you, or your parents might go to jail or
you might die.
Q††††††††† Yeah, righ,t okay, So Peter
told those lies and?
Q††††††††† And, ah, you said that he was
doing mean things to you.
A††††††††† Well not me but other kids.
Q††††††††† Right, okay, so what was the
mean things he was doing?
A††††††††† Um dipping people in the
Q††††††††† Yep, he was dipping people in
the ponds and?
A††††††††† Um, thatís all I know, I
Q††††††††† Right, I think, um, perhaps I
could help you. Ah cos I remember some things and we talked about mean things
to do with penises?
Q††††††††† So what was what was that all
A††††††††† Um doing wees in peopleís
Q††††††††† Yeah, right, how now did you
know he was doing wees in peopleís face?
A††††††††† Because I saw him.
Q††††††††† Okay, now what I would like
to know is which children or was that children or adults he was?
A††††††††† Um children.
Q††††††††† Yeah, so which children did
you see him do wees in their faces?
A††††††††† Um, donít, not, um, I canít
Q††††††††† Were they your friends or
A††††††††† Ah, no. Theyíre other kids at
A††††††††† Little ones and big ones.
Q††††††††† Little ones and big ones?
Q††††††††† So where were did it happen,
A††††††††† Um in the toilet room.
Q††††††††† In the toilet, so Iíll write
down toilet here. Okay, Iíll just. Could you just lift up for a minute and
Iíll just, move that bit of paper along there so I can do writing, okay.
Q††††††††† So it was the toilet room?
Q††††††††† Thatís what that word says.
Um and who was the littlest kid you saw it happen to?
A††††††††† Ah, I donít know.
Q††††††††† We had little.
A††††††††† Oh, I donít know.
Q††††††††† Little kids and big kids.
Q††††††††† Right, okay, and, ah,
whereabouts were the kids when he did wees in their mouth, faces?
A††††††††† Um in the toilet.
Q††††††††† Yeah, what, were they
standing up or sitting down or?
A††††††††† Sitting, um, sitting, sitting
Q††††††††† Oh, on?
Q††††††††† On the toilet and where were
A††††††††† Um they had them down.
Q††††††††† Mm mmm. How did they get
A††††††††† Um they pulled them down.
Q††††††††† Yeah the kids did or?
A††††††††† Um, no, um, here, theyíre
Q††††††††† Theyíre doing wees, yeah.
Q††††††††† And um.
A††††††††† Always pull them down when
you do wees.
Q††††††††† Yeah, course you do.
Otherwise you just do it in your pants, donít you?
Q††††††††† So, um, so Peter, so how big
are the toilets like?
Q††††††††† Whereabouts were you standing
when or whereabouts were you when you?
A††††††††† At the toilet doors.
A††††††††† Looking through them.
Q††††††††† Looking through the doors?
Q††††††††† So who was the first kid you
saw that happen to?
A††††††††† Lots of kids.
Q††††††††† The first one, who was the
first one you saw it happen to?
A††††††††† Donít know. Canít remember.
Q††††††††† Mmm. What about the last kid
you saw it happen to?
A††††††††† Canít remember.
Q††††††††† Mmm, um, so shall I think the
last time you did tell me some names of some friends at crŤche, some people
at the crŤche?
Q††††††††† You told me about [name].
Q††††††††† Yeah, did it happen to [name]
A††††††††† Um, yes, yes.
Q††††††††† How did you know that?
A††††††††† Because I saw it.
A††††††††† Him do wees in [name]ís face.
Q††††††††† Did you?
Q††††††††† And what did [name] do?
A††††††††† Um, I donít know.
Q††††††††† What did you feel like when
you saw it happen to the to [name]?
A††††††††† Ah, donít know.
Q††††††††† Did you feel happy or sad?
A††††††††† Donít know.
A††††††††† Happy and sad.
Q††††††††† Happy and sad?
Q††††††††† What was the sad bit?
A††††††††† Um, donít know. Sad bit was
the happy bit.
A††††††††† And the, um, sad bit.
Q††††††††† What did you, so, [E], what?
Q††††††††† How do you feel about it now?
A††††††††† Aa, good.
A††††††††† Good because weíve telled.
Q††††††††† Because youíve told?
Q††††††††† Yeah, good because youíve
Q††††††††† Well how do you feel about
A††††††††† Um, bad.
Q††††††††† Mmm. Do you know anyone else
who does stuff like to kids?
A††††††††† Ah, no, burglars.
Q††††††††† Burglars do it?
A††††††††† Burglars do it.
Q††††††††† Mmm, anyone else?
A††††††††† Um, no, donít know, just big
Q††††††††† Big bullies do that stuff.
Q††††††††† Okay so what so how many
times did you see it happen to [name]?
A††††††††† I donít know, just one time.
Q††††††††† And where, was [name] a boy
or a girl?
A††††††††† A girl.
Q††††††††† And where was she?
A††††††††† Um, in the toilets.
Q††††††††† Mmm and what did you see
happen to [name]?
A††††††††† Um Peter doing wees in his
Q††††††††† Yeah and how did the wees
come out of his penis?
A††††††††† It just came out.
Q††††††††† Mmm, where were his hands?
Q††††††††† When they?
A††††††††† Donít know.
Q††††††††† Came out of his penis?
A††††††††† Donít, I canít remember.
Q††††††††† So was the toilet, so you
were standing at the door?
Q††††††††† So did, did you see Peterís
back or Peterís front?
A††††††††† Um his back and his front.
Q††††††††† Right so how come you saw both?
A††††††††† Um, because I did.
Q††††††††† Mmm, okay, and, ah, so I
think also what, well, I mean, I know that last week you did tell me that
Peter did some mean things to you too.
A††††††††† Yeah, mmm.
Q††††††††† Yeah and how many times,
well, what was the thing that, do you remember what you told me?
A††††††††† Um, no.
Q††††††††† Mmm, well last week you told
me that Peter did a mean thing.
Q††††††††† And that, um, one of the
things that heís done to you is that he um?
A††††††††† Didnít do it to me.
Q††††††††† Right because I think you
told me. Well you did tell me that last week it did happen to you.
A††††††††† Oh yeah.
Q††††††††† That thing there, that.
Q††††††††† The penis in your face.
A††††††††† Yeah, it did.
Q††††††††† It did happen to you?
Q††††††††† Mmm, so what, what, what do
you feel like when, when you think about that stuff?
A††††††††† Um, good.
Q††††††††† Good? What makes it feel
A††††††††† Because I told the teacher.
Q††††††††† Oh, because you told, yeah.
What about having to talk about it and remember that it happened to you?
A††††††††† Um, good.
Q††††††††† Yeah and how many times did
that happen to you?
A††††††††† Um, one.
Q††††††††† Mmm and when the penis went
in your face.
Q††††††††† What did it do?
A††††††††† Um, it went into my mouth.
Q††††††††† Yeah and it tasted?
Q††††††††† Anything else.
A††††††††† Um, no, just yucky.
Q††††††††† Yeah. And what when it went
in your mouth, what happened?
A††††††††† Um, he stopped doing it. I
went and told the teacher.
Q††††††††† Mm mmm. And what went in your
mouth to be yucky? I mean the penis went in your mouth, did the penis?
A††††††††† Yeah and there was wees.
Q††††††††† And what?
A††††††††† And the wees.
Q††††††††† The wees went in your mouth?
A††††††††† And the penis.
Q††††††††† Yeah and what did you do with
the wees in your mouth.
A††††††††† Um, I swallowed it.
Q††††††††† Mmm what did that make you
Q††††††††† Any other feelings, [E]?
Q††††††††† Mmm, so sometimes you say that
that doesnít, that didnít happen to you.
Q††††††††† Yeah, what makes you say
A††††††††† Oh, I donít know. I just
Q††††††††† Sometimes you forget.
Q††††††††† Yeah, is that something, does
it make it easier when you forgot or harder?
A††††††††† Ah harder.
Q††††††††† It makes it?
Q††††††††† What, what whatís the hard
A††††††††† Um, donít know
Q††††††††† Mmm. Um, so, um, because I
guess the other thing I need to clear up with you is um.
Q††††††††† That Mum thought you said to
her that it happened lots of times.
A††††††††† Na, um, yeah, but not lots of
times to me.
Q††††††††† Oh I see. So it happened to
you once but it happened lots of times to kids?