02:41 TITLES Counterpoint .
02:56 PRESENTER Ian Fraser to CAMERA .
03:06 INSET B/W STILL Woody Allen and Mia
03:08 INSET B/W STILL Woody Allen with Mia
Farrow holding baby .
03:10 INSET STILL covers of Time and Newsweek
picturing Woody Allen and Mia Farrow's adopted daughter Soon Yi Previn who
Woody Allen had an affair with .
03:11 INSET STILL Mia Farrow and her children .
03:14 PAN to STILL Woody Allen .
03:16 PRESENTER to CAMERA .
03:25 INSET STILL Judge Peter Boshier, GRAPHICS
his statement that all sexual abuse allegations are to be passed to Police
and Social Welfare officials .
03:35 PRESENTER to CAMERA .
03:54 INSET STILL Mr Justice Temm, GRAPHIC his
statement law requires proof that the allegation is probably true not that it
is possibly true .
04:01 PRESENTER to CAMERA.
04:07 (LCT) 10 October 1992 Peter Ellis
carrying dog, walking to letterbox .
04:10 (SF) Christchurch Civic Child Care
04:12 (SF) child playing with doll .
04:14 (SF) woman in office sitting at desk .
04:16 (SF) writing on piece of paper .
04:18 (SF) children's playground .
04:20 PRESENTER to CAMERA introducing studio
guest Doctor Miriam Saphira, Senior Psychologist, Social Welfare Department .
04:24 MCU Doctor Miriam Saphira .
04:41 PRESENTER to CAMERA introducing studio
guest Michael Marris, psychotherapist .
04:46 MCU Michael Marris .
04:52 I/V Miriam Saphira re criticism of way
family courts operate supporting view that we have an unfair system which is
loaded against men, issue of protection of children, continuum between lots
of evidence and no evidence of sexual abuse with grey area in between, not a
black and white issue, a complex issue, hard to say categorically whether
sexual abuse has occurred or not, injustice towards one of partners in family
court hearings, isolation of children from fathers, need for contact and
access to be maintained with abusing parent .
07:35 I/V Michael Marris re false allegations
of sexual abuse, unfair handling of sexual abuse cases by system, Temm
judgement, excess of zealotry and inequities of incompetence characterising
family court issues, presumption of guilt if accused of sexual abuse,
inability of people to prove innocence in sexual abuse cases until very
recently, fathers bearing brunt of family court issues, fathers feeling they
are guilty without trial before sexual abuse issues come to court .
09:14 I/V Miriam Saphira re disturbed people
who make allegations of sexual abuse without foundation, not zealousness on
part of sexual abuse investigators in family court, professionalism on part
of sexual abuse investigators .
10:46 I/V Michael Marris re Miriam Saphira
representing zealot faction, need for failures of past to be redressed by
excesses of present, zealotry had a role to play (INTERJECTION Miriam
Saphira), issues of sexual abuse need to be brought into the open and addressed
and taken to task, children thinking they have been sexually abused when they
haven't one of excesses of zealotry, need for balance now .
12:19 I/V Miriam Saphira re excesses do not
come from zealotry, certainly on her part and professionals she knows, but
from disturbed people who make sexual abuse allegations .
12:37 I/V Michael Marris re does not see many
malicious allegations but incompetent professionals in family court who do
not have knowledge of subtleties and complexities of family dynamics, excesses
of present do redress failures of past where children routinely disbelieved
in sexual abuse cases, now time for balance .
13:36 I/V Miriam Saphira re we haven't gone
too far, public see sexual abuse out of context, sexual abuse is part of a
range of abuse of children such as emotional and physical abuse of children,
enormous amount of publicity about issue of sexual abuse and specific cases
of sexual abuse, Otago research into sexual abuse found no increase between
1920 and 1970 but more cases reported in 1970s, won't know if more sexual
abuse occurring for some time to come, age of children disclosing sexual
abuse now younger than in 1975 when started working in the area of sexual
15:22 I/V Michael Marris re definition of
sexual abuse never found any universal agreement, sometimes he would love
somebody to wolf whistle at him, matter of how one perceives sexual abuse .
15:52 I/V Miriam Saphira re professionals
dealing with inappropriate unwanted sexual touching of children, there are
other types of abuse .
17:08 I/V Miriam Saphira re difficult to
refute an allegation of sexual abuse, don't know how we can get around that,
alleged view that it is a lesser evil for men to be wrongfully convicted than
for one child abuser to go free, hopes that no one gets wrongly convicted of
child abuse, there are men in her life, she is not the sort of person people
make her out to be, cares about men, women and children in community, would
like child abuse to stop and us to change way children are growing up to
become abusers of all types .
18:47 I/V Michael Marris re men do get wrongly
convicted in both criminal and especially the family court, family court less
rigorous, answers lie in (Justice) Temm judgement and need for more rigour in
family court .
19:38 COMMERCIAL BREAK .
23:13 PRESENTER to CAMERA re only identifying
first names of callers because of nature of subject and legally prevented
from saying anything that might identify anyone involved in family court
23:39 V/O telephone home viewer caller Joan,
25:03 I/V Michael Marris re this is a common
story, knows of nobody who can help those wrongfully accused of sexual abuse,
legal aid criteria much tighter now, caller will remain angry, bitter and
26:02 I/V Miriam Saphira re system does seem
unfair that caller not entitled to legal aid, many convicted offenders had
large legal costs .
26:54 PRESENTER to CAMERA, V/O telephone home
viewer caller Keith, Christchurch, re what qualifications Social Welfare
workers need to carry out evidential interviews in sexual abuse cases .
27:17 I/V Miriam Saphira re sexual abuse
evidential interviewers have range of tertiary qualifications, all have lot
of supervision, credentials vetted very closely when cases go to court,
unfair to label them radical lesbian feminists who hate men and want to break
up families, definition of radical lesbian feminist different for different
people, concern that accusations about her are not targeted at others working
in the area of child sexual abuse .
30:25 I/V Michael Marris re people attracted
to working in area of child sexual abuse because of their own histories or
their own agendas, level of professional competence of assessors varies from
one place and person to another, should not be a subjective area but clinical
and rigorous and exacting .
31:18 PRESENTER to CAMERA, V/O telephone home
32:07 I/V Michael Marris re judges do step in,
most of interviewing in court does not follow callers experience of lawyers
questioning of her daughter, there is no easy answer .
32:47 I/V Miriam Saphira re there are lawyers
who do not understand techniques of questioning children .
33:03 PRESENTER to CAMERA, V/O telephone home
viewer caller Jill, Auckland, re runs supervised access centre, are there
many successful prosecutions for false complaint .
33:48 I/V Michael Marris re false complaint an
unusual circumstance, confusion happens at level of experts, (Justice) Temm
case outcome that father had not abused child, whether system loaded for or
against accused person, election of doubt, cannot take away risk in life .
36:12 PRESENTER to CAMERA, V/O telephone home
viewer caller Keith, Wellington, re family life is destroyed by disclosure of
sexual abuse, are there people in Social Welfare Department ensuring children
have quality relationships with their fathers, what are the views of the
37:21 I/V Miriam Saphira re many who care
about relationships children have with fathers, rearing children so they
don't become abusers .
39:12 PRESENTER to Miriam Saphira and CAMERA .
39:22 COMMERCIAL BREAK .
43:11 I/V Miriam Saphira re no follow up or
research carried out into children at centre of allegations of sexual abuse,
would be useful .
44:14 I/V Michael Marris re it is a fraud
carried out on children when false accusations have been raised .
44:45 PRESENTER to CAMERA, V/O telephone home
viewer caller Tracy,
45:05 I/V Miriam Saphira re mother needs to
get assistance .
45:16 I/V Michael Marris re Family Court
Review paper views sexual abuse as a crime and maybe arena should be criminal
court so people to contact are the police, caring professions tend to view
suspect as guilty .
46:42 I/V Miriam Saphira re child is not
believed against the balance of the evidence, lots of things checked, how
child is interviewed .
47:36 I/V Michael Marris re hard to separate
grey areas where behavioural symptoms are mimicked by normal disturbances
children usually display when parents and families are in crisis .
47:59 PRESENTER to CAMERA .
48:08 CREDITS .